Celebrity Makeup Tips with Kimberly Heintzman

Airdate: 10/23/2012

If you've got a makeup problem Celebrity Makeup Artist Kimberly Heintzman knows how to solve it! From covering embarrassing birthmarks or scars, to easy steps for pulling off a smoky eye, Kimberly shares her makeup tips.

Bryan Barron: Hello everyone. Welcome to Be Beautifully Informed with Paula Begoun and the Paula's Choice Research Team. You're listening to me, Bryan Barron, tonight along with Desiree Stordahl.
00:00:34 Tonight we are going to be talking all about makeup, makeup tips, makeup questions, and our special guest is celebrity makeup artist Kimberly Heintzman. Before we bring Kimberly on the air I just wanted to give you a little background.
00:01:05 She is a celebrity makeup artist that's based in Hollywood, California. She has appeared on the Dr. Oz Show demonstrating her remarkable camouflaging skills with foundation and concealer. And I kind of liken her background and her makeup styling to how Laura Mercier got started. Laura Mercier, I just read a little interview with her in the new issue of Allure, and she was plagued with skin imperfections and terrible acne in the 1970s which back then most foundation shades either went on too white, too peach, or too pink.
00:01:45 So you can imagine when that was the selection and you've got a face full of blemishes, it was next to impossible to try to find something to cover it. So, she came up with some of her own stuff and spent a lot of time perfecting her application technique. And essentially Kimberly Heintzman has done the same thing for a discoloration issue that she has.
00:02:07 And she is one of our favorite makeup artists to refer to for inside information. Kimberly, are you there?
Kimberly Heintzman: Yes, I am. Hello.
Bryan Barron: Hi, thanks for joining us tonight.
Kimberly Heintzman: It's my pleasure.
Bryan Barron: We have some questions that we've picked out for you from our Facebook fans at the Paula's Choice Facebook page.
00:02:28 I have a couple of questions I've culled from email. So, unless I missed something in your bio, I don't think I did. Did I cover all the bases there?
Kimberly Heintzman: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I definitely as I've been on the show in the past I've received a lot of emails from a lot of your listeners and I've been able to give some of my personal and also my advice as a makeup artist to help people with concealing issues and then a lot of other stuff comes up once you've concealed and there's a lot of other great tips that I love recommending.
00:03:08 So, I'm definitely open and up for any questions tonight.
Bryan Barron: Awesome. Well, that is one of the main reasons we have you on the line and we invite everyone to call in with their makeup questions for Kimberley. The number to call is 347-426-3783. Or you can also go to the Paula's Choice Facebook page and post your question there. We'll be checking that throughout the show.
00:03:33 Kimberly, before we start routing some questions your way, I was talking with Desiree before the show, and hi Desiree.
Desiree Stordahl: Hello.
Bryan Barron: Did you have a couple of makeup products, new products you wanted to tell our listeners about?
Desiree Stordahl: Oh, yes. So, I'm in the works as usual reviewing products for Beautypedia. And I found a couple standouts. L'Oreal's Infallible Lacquer Liner, it's a gel cream eye liner. Love it. Goes on super smooth.
00:04:03 I put it up against Bobbi Brown's version which is a bit more expensive. The L'Oreal one is $9.95, so a great drugstore steal. Another product is NYX's eyebrow shaper. And I like this because it's a clear waxy brow pencil that just helps hold your brows in place. If you don't want to add any color you can just use that and it is a dupe for Anastasia Beverly Hills' Brow Fix which is $21 and the NYX version is $8.75.
Bryan Barron: Oh wow.
Desiree Stordahl: And they are identical. You couldn't tell the difference. So, those are my two big steals and deals of the week.
00:04:45 But Kimberly, question for you coming from our Facebook friend Pat. Pat asks, "Makeup is tricky when you're a senior. I don't want to look desperate at one extreme or dowdy at another. I do want to look like I care and that I'm still in the game, but I need help finding the balance."
Kimberly Heintzman: Oh, that's a good one. And is this referring to foundation or just all over?
Desiree Stordahl: She doesn't specify, but I know some of our other fans have been asking about eye makeup and foundation, so if you could cover the basics for makeup as you're aging, that would help.
Bryan Barron: And Kimberly what I've seen in emails from women who identify themselves as seniors, or they say that they have mature skin, is that as they get older they tended to become more afraid of makeup and they're not sure if they're doing too much or not enough.
00:05:43 And so what I see from a lot of them is that they just don't do anything because they're kind of like at this impasse where they're not quite sure what works and what doesn't.
Kimberly Heintzman: Right. That's a great question. And typically when I work with my clients that come in and have these concerns I do find that one of the most important things to do is to really start with, you know, a great skincare regimen because makeup only looks as good as the skin underneath as I've said that before on your program.
00:06:15 But I always love to really make sure that we're getting a lot of hydration underneath foundation and, of course, maybe it's not such a great option to use powder because we do find that a lot of powders can settle into fine lines and then that just doesn't turn out to be so attractive after wearing it throughout the day.
00:06:38 But I do believe in a great base, and I think that a great base starts with a great primer. So, I'm a big advocate of finding the right primer for your skin type and primers have developed into – there are so many different categories of primers – there are treatment primers. There are tinted primers. There are oil-free, and everything. There's such a variation in primers. It's almost like finding a perfect foundation.
00:07:03 Now, it's finding a perfect primer.
Bryan Barron: Yeah.
Kimberly Heintzman: Bryan, do you agree with me, there's so many?
Bryan Barron: There are. And the ones that we tend to recommend on Beautypedia, we give our highest rating to the primers that not only perform the way a primer should in that they help makeup go on smoother, some of them can help it last longer. Some of them help fill in superficial flaws on skin, fine lines, maybe areas where the pores are a bit bigger.
00:07:31 But we always look for those that have some beneficial ingredients, too.
Kimberly Heintzman: Correct.
Bryan Barron: There are a lot of primers out there that are a little more than silicone, and it's not that silicone is a bad ingredient for skin. And silicones are the backbone of most primers. And they give you that lovely silky feel and that powdery, smooth finish, but silicone alone isn't enough.
Kimberly Heintzman: Correct. I agree with you 100%.
00:08:00 And there are a lot of great, I mean, I think that finding a good primer is really the key to finding – and then you find your foundation and then you kind of have to play around with it, because it all depends on your skin type and your skin tone. Because there are the primers that have color correcting tints to them. And if you get the right tint to correct whatever issue it is, that's going to really affect your choice in your foundation. So, I think really researching, getting samples, trying different –
00:08:31 You know, you can go into a department store, specialty store, and they'll make you three to five samples of products. And you really get a chance to try it and really see how it works with your skin and your foundation that maybe you already wear. So, you don't necessarily even need to change your foundation; it might just be as simple as changing – adding a primer to your regimen.
Bryan Barron: So, Kimberly, do you have some general bullet point color tips for older women? For example, should they go for a brighter lipstick? Should they use eyeliner?
00:09:04 What do you normally do when you have that sitting in front of you and you're thinking, "How can I bring out this woman's beauty?"
Kimberly Heintzman: Sure. That's a great question. I really love starting with neutrals and adding a pop of color, whether it's the lips or the eyes, and it's really about somebody's style. If you wear a lot of bright colored clothing I wouldn't necessarily add a lot of the color in your makeup. I would probably tone down the shades of your makeup.
00:09:37 So, it's really about your personal style. It can have a lot to do with your hair color. I love starting out with something neutral and adding a pop of color, whether it's on the eyes or the lips, but never both at the same time. I think you have to decide what you want your focal point to be, what are your best features? Is a lip color, does it make you pop? Is it about the eyes?
00:10:04 So, you kind of have to pick your best feature and put the pop of color there.
Bryan Barron: Those are great tips. Specifically though, let's see, what do you generally do for example when you're dealing with someone whose eye area might be drooping a little bit and they're nervous about putting on eyeliner because if they follow the curvature of their eyelid they're essentially just going down.
00:10:33 Or perhaps dealing with thinning lips? Do you have any tricks that you use to make thinning lips look fuller?
Kimberly Heintzman: Yeah. As a matter of fact I think a great tip for that would be to use your foundation on your lips. Use your foundation on the eyelids – once again, back to the primer. Get the primer; start out with your great moisturizer, your great primer. Use your foundation or your concealer on the eyelid and on the lips.
00:11:06 I mean, they make special concealers just for underneath the eyelids today, but you can just use your basic every day concealer on your eyelid, around the mouth, pad it in to build up the coverage. Dust a little powder. And then when you line the lips you're going to protect lip gloss and lip stick from bleeding when you have a base – when you have something, a magnetic, for your products to bind to you're going to get a longer wear and you can create a better base.
00:11:40 And then I think with the lip color you just have to find that right neutral shade of a lip liner and if you get a great neutral lip liner you can put any color of lipstick on top of it. And I think that neutral is a really good word to use when you go into a cosmetic store if you're getting help with a makeup artist or associate. You can ask for these neutral shades.
00:12:06 And then you can build color on top of them. So, does that kind of help?
Bryan Barron: Yes. I don't know for sure if they still make this color, but a long time ago – I'm dating myself here – but Chanel had a lip pencil called nude.
Kimberly Heintzman: Yes. I remember.
Bryan Barron: And it wasn't nude in the sense of, oh, I can't see any color, or it's flesh tone, but it was almost like slightly darker than someone's natural lips.
00:12:32 And when I freelanced for Chanel I would use that on almost every woman, any age, who wanted or who needed a lip liner. And you're absolutely right – it pretty much complemented any color.
Kimberly Heintzman: Right. Yes. There are these universal products on the market like that. It blows me away, but there's like one shade that can work on 50 different skin tones. And it's finding that perfect shade and using it as your base, and then adding things on top of it. Then it becomes fun. Then it becomes playful. Then you add your pop of color on top of it.
00:13:11 But when you get those neutral eye shadows and then those neutral lip liners and the neutral brow pencil, you can really do a lot once you get that, the one thing that you can really build off of.
Desiree Stordahl: So, Kimberly, we're going to switch gears really quick and go to a caller on the line. It's Nancy in New York. Nancy, are you there?
Nancy: Yes, I am.
Desiree Stordahl: All right, what's your question for Kimberly?
Nancy: Well, first I just want to say hello everyone and I love listening to you all and I love Bryan and Desiree just as much as Paula.
Desiree Stordahl: Oh, thank you. That's so sweet.
Bryan Barron: What a sweetie.
Nancy: So my question is, and hello Kimberly, my question is regarding concealer. I all of a sudden have these bags under my eyes that I've never had before. And I bought the Tarte Under Eye Concealer that was recommended on Beautypedia. But I'm just wondering if the color is to – sometimes when I use it the bags under my eyes just look exaggerated. And I didn't know if perhaps that was because it was the wrong color?
Kimberly Heintzman: Well, I know the product that you're speaking of.
00:14:25 I've actually tried it myself, and I think it's a great high pigmented concealer and it performs very well. But, it's really all about having the right shade when it comes to – when you're correcting. And I think that my best tip in a situation like this when you feel like it's attracting more attention to it, what you would probably want to do is try one shade darker and you would start with the darker shade underneath and then put the lighter shade on top of it.
00:15:01 And hopefully you want the actual shade that you finish with to really match the rest of your skin tone. But are you correcting discoloration or is it more about puffiness?
Nancy: It's just puffiness. There's no discoloration.
Kimberly Heintzman: Puffiness. So, just remember that dark recedes and light brings forth, so if there is any raised puffiness or like a blemish that's raised, you could always go a little bit darker and that's going to recede the skin imperfection. So, I think that I would definitely try that.
00:15:37 And then if you – I know this is a bit of an investment, but I really, really am a true believer in the Clarisonic Opal, if you've ever heard of that. It's a device that you can use that will stimulate circulation in the eye area and it really, really helps with puffiness.
Nancy: And that's just specific to the eye that Clarisonic?
Kimberly Heintzman: Yeah. It's the Opal and it's specifically designated for the eye area. And it infuses any eye product that you use into the skin. And it stimulates circulation which is actually something that can take puffiness down.
00:16:13 It's kind of expensive. It's an investment. But you can also – a tip that I do with everyone that I've ever worked with is massaging and manipulating the skin around your eye. When you go around the eye from the inner corner of the eye to the outer corner and you manipulate your eye cream in that direction, usually about 8 to 10 times around I'll take my ring finger and I'll pause on the inner corner of my eye, and when we do that you can feel fluids draining in your sinuses.
00:16:47 And what's happening is that you're instantly taking excess fluids out from the eye area and it will diminish the puffiness in seconds.
Nancy: Wow.
Bryan Barron: Give that a try Nancy. And if you're not seeing results from that, and if you want to take a look at the Clarisonic Opal that Kimberly mentioned, that's worth a go for its massaging action as she mentioned. You always want to be gentle around the eyes.
00:17:15 But if that doesn't help the under eye bags that you're seeing could be the result of the fat pads shifting beneath the skin. It's something that happens to all of us as we age. There's not a set age that it happens. It could be in your 40's, it could be in your early 50's, but if the massaging techniques and what not that Kimberly suggested aren't really doing anything for you than that could be what's going on.
00:17:44 Once that fat pad shifts you can't massage it back into place; it needs to be addressed via surgery.
Nancy: Okay.
Bryan Barron: And essentially it's an eye lift or it's called the blepharoplasty. It's a simple, very commonly performed procedure. It is surgery which kind of freaks people out. But it is – if you're not seeing success, don't spend hundreds of dollars on products saying they get rid of puffy eyes if the massaging techniques Kimberly mentioned, and then the concealer techniques just aren't doing the trick.
00:18:13 Because it's almost – I can almost guarantee you it's the fat pads shifting, and that has to be address via surgery.
Nancy: Okay.
Bryan Barron: One more thing, Nancy. I'm going to send our concealer brush, because with the application techniques Kimberly suggested you will have much better results if you are applying your concealer with a good brush rather than your fingers. It's very difficult, even if you have dainty fingers, it's very difficult to get two shades of concealer where you're placing one on the pooching area and then one on the skin that isn't pooching and trying not to let them cross before you actually blend.
00:18:49 You'll want to use a brush. So, we'll send you a concealer brush and we'll also send you a bottle of our Gentle Touch Eye Makeup Remover so you can make sure you're getting all your makeup off at night because not doing that is the leading cause of puffy eyes that a lot of women don't realize. It's very important that you make sure you get every stitch of that eye makeup off each night.
Nancy: Okay.
Desiree Stordahl: Thanks Nancy. I'll be in touch with you about those products. And our next question comes from Judy on Facebook. She says, and this is for you Kimberly, "What do you think of the idea of using a flesh toned eye liner pencil?" Specifically she's talking about the Stila waterproof one. "To cover or correct purple bruises and/or tattoos, then blending concealer on top as added insurance."
Kimberly Heintzman: Wow.
00:19:39 Well, I've never tried that product but I do know the brand Stila and I have seen flesh colored eye pencils. And typically what they're used for is the inner eye – the lash line, and it kind of brightens up the eye area. Or, it can be used around the lip to make the lips look fuller on the outside of your liner. But, I suppose if the pigment is really good, and if it's neutralizing, and then you build on top of it. And it's probably really pigmented so I'm sure it stays in place really well, even when you put other products on top of it.
00:20:20 So, I think if it works I think it sounds really great. And I think I'm going to try it myself. Thanks for the tip.
Desiree Stordahl: Kimberly, what do you use? I know I believe I've seen you cover up a tattoo on a TV show before. What do you use for that personally?
Kimberly Heintzman: You know, there are so many products these days on the market. But I use everything. I think that Dermablend has amazing products for the body. I love their leg cover. The shades are really great. That's a classic product that everybody knows works.
00:21:02 It's a go-to product for concealing varicose veins and tattoos. And what I love about Dermablend is that it really stays in place. Once you apply it and you set the product, I mean, it is waterproof. So, it's a great product. And they also have something new they've added to their line within the past year or two and it's a tattoo product that specifically you put it on before the leg product and it neutralizes the black and dark ink that's typically in tattoos.
00:21:40 And it's kind of a bright orange color and it comes in – there's a light one and a dark one, so it works for different skin tones. And then you use the concealing shade for the body and literally you cannot even detect any of the tattoo. It's an amazing product for tattoo covering.
Bryan Barron: Kimberly, just this week I got an email about the Kat Von D line that's sold at Sephora. Are you familiar with that brand?
Kimberly Heintzman: Yes, I am.
Bryan Barron: They have a few, like I'm looking on Sephora now. They have a pencil called Tattoo Eraser. I know that she has a foundation. Of course, for those who may not know who Kat Von D is, she – I don't mean to sound derogatory here, in fact I won't say it.
00:22:27 But, let's just say she has a lot of tattoos, and not that there is – tattoos are great but she has a locket tattoo foundation, a tattoo concealer. Kimberley, have you used any of those products, are they similar to Dermablend if you have used them?
Kimberly Heintzman: They are similar. And I think that they're great products as well. I think that the price point is a little bit higher. And I think that you have to just play with it and what happens when you have two products that are so similar and the end result that it really comes down to texture and tone.
00:23:13 And, I mean, if we think about it, there is uncalculated amount of skin tones. And then you have 15 shades to pick from. So, different brands are going to offer different shades. And that's why I think that you have to – what's really important about body makeup for anything is that you try it on and then you go outside, because I guarantee it will always look different when you walk out the door in natural daylight versus in the store. So, it's super important to test them outside before you purchase.
Desiree Stordahl: And, Kimberly, what about keloid scars? Would you use the Dermablend product on those? Or are there any different techniques we have? Jennifer in California is asking about that.
Kimberly Heintzman: Well, with keloid scarring it kind of goes back to something that I mentioned earlier on the show tonight where it's about dark recedes and light brings forth. So, when you have something that's raised you would use a shade that's darker than your actual skin tone because that's going to create the illusion of a smoother surface.
00:24:28 Yeah, so you kind of have to play with the shades.
Desiree Stordahl: And you're talking – is it just a subtle shade, half a shade darker, or how dark do you go?
Kimberly Heintzman: Oh, that's a great question. I would say depending on the color of the discoloration I would not make it – nothing more than like 1.5 to 2 shades. And it's going to depend on the brand and the variation of shades, but I mean sometimes in situations where there are so many skin tones and not enough shades, sometimes you have to mix.
00:25:04 And I think that it's great when you go in the stores to have one of the associates kind of help you eye it, blend them together, but there are only so many shades that you can develop in a makeup line and there are so many shades of skin. So, you really have to play around with it.
Desiree Stordahl: Got it. Okay, we have another Facebook question. This one comes from Alasia and she wants to know how to temporarily cover up large pores under makeup and what texture of foundation is best for doing that.
00:25:38 And if you have any tricks or tips for special applying techniques?
Kimberly Heintzman: Okay, this is good. When I have large pores I always love to, once again, have a great primer because I can kind of just fill it in, somewhat. And we also want to tighten the pores and we want to smooth them out. And then the next most important thing…
Bryan Barron: Do you have a favorite primer for large pores?
Kimberly Heintzman: There are a couple of things on the market. There are primers that – for large pores I like a primer that's a little thicker. I do find that there are a lot of primers that are kind of diluted, watered down, and they might make your foundation slide across the skin, but they don't really fill in, like give you almost like a spackling effect, if you will.
00:26:39 But, I mean, there are primers. You want to find that one that has that kind of thicker consistency where you feel like you're really pushing it into your pores, like with your finger tips, too; I think that's an important application. And then you really just smooth it all out with your primer. And off the top of my head, I mean, I know that there are primers that are a little bit thicker.
00:27:01 Like there's one, for example, a product called Perfect, and they have a really, really beautiful primer that has that thicker consistency. And I love that for filling in pores. And then I've also tried, I think there's one by Benefit that I've tried that I think is really great as well. But filling in the pores is important. And then I always recommend putting on either your concealer with a concealer brush and like stippling it into the pores.
00:27:36 And it's almost like painting, like if you painted a wall. You would take the tip of the brush and you would dab it into the grain of the wood. So, instead of wiping it across you would go straight in with your tools and kind of stipple it in, just to the areas where your pores are large, which is typically around the nose and the T zone, that kind of area.
00:27:58 And then the rest of the applications should be done with your finger tips, because your finger tips are going to be your best tool. They warm up the foundation; they blend products into the skin better. You're always going to get more of a flawless application I think when you're blending the products into your skin with your hands. And, of course, I love brushes. I think brushes are amazing for blending, and adding your powder and your color, but I love finger tips for foundation. It's just amazing.
Bryan Barron: I like using finger tips as well for the very same reasons you mentioned. I also find that when you use your fingers it's easier to maneuver into the various crevices of the face.
00:28:40 That's when I argue that a foundation brush can get those areas even better. I haven't found that to be the case because most foundation brushes are huge.
Kimberly Heintzman: Agreed.
Bryan Barron: And they work to a certain extent, but I don't – I think a lot of women who try foundation brushes end up giving them up because honestly they take a lot more time.
Kimberly Heintzman: I agree with you.
Bryan Barron: Yeah.
Kimberly Heintzman: And they're very expensive.
Bryan Barron: They are, yeah.
00:29:08 One of the things I tend to do though after using the fingers is I always go over the face with a sponge.
Kimberly Heintzman: Perfect. I love that.
Bryan Barron: Just a dry sponge, just checking along the hair line or other areas where you may have built up a little extra foundation and if you try to smooth that with your fingers you can end up making the foundation look streaky. It kind of depends on the foundation, but if you've got something that sets in place like Revlon ColorStay, it's not budging no matter what you do.
00:29:37 But if you're using something else there could be an issue.
Kimberly Heintzman: Exactly.
Desiree Stordahl: Kimberly, I have a pore filler product that you should check out. It's from NYX. I feel like I've been giving NYX so much love lately, but they do come out with some…
Kimberly Heintzman: I love that line.
Desiree Stordahl: Oh, they come out with some great products! And this Pore Filler, that's the name of it, is only $13 and it really does a nice job of smoothing over pores. It's not – it's thick but it's not super thick so you're not going to get a total spackle like effect.
00:30:08 But it's pretty nice for evening out the complexion and smoothing over the pores, and giving you a matte finish.
Kimberly Heintzman: I love that. Well, I was just going to mention there's also mattifying products. And I think mattifiers are always products that are instantly going to tighten up the pores. Do you agree with me?
Bryan Barron: Kimberly, we actually have one in the Paula's Choice line called Shine Stopper Instant Matte Finish.
Kimberly Heintzman: Oh, okay, great.
Bryan Barron: And we actually developed the product to control surface shine. You can use it under foundation or dab it on over foundation.
00:30:48 But one of our coworkers commented when she was testing it, she said, "You know, I don't' necessarily have really oily skin, but I love what this does to make my pores look smaller." So, we should send you a tube of that, Kimberly, so you can experiment with it on yourself or your clients and see what you think.
Kimberly Heintzman: I would love that. That would be amazing.
Bryan Barron: Cool.
00:31:09 And I have a question via email for you. This is something that I've been wondering about. And we do get questions about this fairly often. Kimberly, what do you think of the Airbrush makeup products like a brand name is Dinair? Have you played with those? Have you seen them in effect?
Kimberly Heintzman: I have. I think that, I mean, I have played around with Airbrush. And what I think – it creates a beautiful finish. And air brushing was originated for television and film. And like what happens is the products come out and it's pixilated. So, it comes and it's really, really soft and obviously that's where the airbrush, the airbrush look that we're all trying to get with our makeup.
00:32:09 But it gives that perfectly pixilated, smooth, even finish. And I think it's flawless. And I think if you have flawless, soft, smooth perfect skin it looks amazing.
Bryan Barron: So, are you saying that the people that really don't need to wear foundation look best with Airbrush makeup?
Kimberly Heintzman: Oh, no, I don't know if I'm saying that! I don't know – I think it's flawless. I really do. It's a beautiful finish. Is it something for an everyday person to do? I mean, I don't know.
00:32:48 I think that it's possible, but you'd really have to be willing and you have to really want to make the effort. And then you've got to remember that for me, like I travel, so that's kind of my reason why I've never really committed to it. But I do know of one Airbrush company – it's a little bit different than traditional makeup, but it's something called, oh my gosh, I'm blanking on the name of it right now.
00:33:16 It's based out of New York City and they do special concealing. And it's waterproof. Did we talk about this in one of our past shows?
Desiree Stordahl: I don't think.
Bryan Barron: Oh, maybe. You know, I was just – I was going to ask Desiree if she had seen this at Sephora, but I know – I'm not seeing it on their website now, but some time ago Sephora had and an airbrush makeup brand that they were selling. And you could buy little cartridges. And then they eventually did airbrush blush. And I think they had an eye shadow. And they sold a little machine. And I'm not seeing it on their site anymore so I'm wondering if that was kind of a flash in the pan for them?
Kimberly Heintzman: It's not there anymore.
00:33:57 You're absolutely right. It's not there. It's something that I think is not…
Bryan Barron: I cannot remember the brand though.
Desiree Stordahl: Was it Temptu?
Bryan Barron: Yes. Yes!
Kimberly Heintzman: It was Temptu.
Bryan Barron: That wasn't the brand that you were thinking of in New York, Kimberly?
Kimberly Heintzman: No, no, I'm just pulling it up right now and I'll get right back to you on that. Sorry.
Desiree Stordahl: I think for the average everyday woman the thing it comes down to is there's not enough time to take the time to do airbrush. It really is going to take a longer, more effort, more concentrated to detail type of technique.
Bryan Barron: For sure.
Kimberly Heintzman: Exactly.
Bryan Barron: From what I've seen as far as these devices, and M.A.C. had one – I don't know if they ever sold it to the public, but I was in one of their stores in San Francisco a few years ago and they had the device and the little bottles of different pigments and stuff that you could affix to it and kind of customize. But it's definitely something where if you're doing it yourself at home you have got to protect your clothes, you've got to protect your counter tops.
00:35:00 You have to mindful of not getting it on all over the floors, so when you're done you don't look down and you've got a circle of foundation mist on your rug or your tile. But from what I've seen it does look really good.
Kimberly Heintzman: Yeah. A few brands have tried to make it in retail, but it really is a professional product. And the product that I was mentioning is Microskin. And Microskin isn't so much – it's a cosmetic product, but it's something that when you have a serious discoloration on the face or body, I call it bulletproof makeup.
00:35:38 And it's very expensive. This is definitely an investment. It's a custom product that you go to the clinic, and it's in a physicians/medical building. And they actually match your skin tone with a computer scanner. And they develop the mix of shades for you. They teach you how to use the airbrush. They teach you how to correct the very serious skin discolorations.
00:36:07 But this is something that actually ends up looking like your skin and you can wear it for several days on the body. So, it's just something to know about in case you ever know somebody who needs something really serious like that.
Bryan Barron: When you say serious, meaning that this is going to provide substantial coverage. This is something that someone who has maybe some scarring, or a birthmark, or a large area of discoloration could use?
Kimberly Heintzman: Yes. This for Vitiligo. This is for something more on the serious side where it's basically a simulated skin, because it matches your skin tone so perfectly. And it originated in Australia and then just a few years ago they opened their first clinic in the United States in New York City.
00:36:59 And then last summer they opened up a clinic in Pasadena. So, they are expanding into other parts of the country. And it's a very exciting product. I've never known of anything like it on the market. But it's more of a treatment, and it's because of the price point and because you get the airbrush and you have to be really – it's something that someone who really needs something like this is going to want to invest in something like that.
Bryan Barron: Okay.
00:37:29 While we're on the subject of foundation matching and all that, I just wanted to read this to the audience and to you and Desiree. In the new issue of Allure, the November issue. And I'll just read it. So, yes, I am reading from a magazine. "Finding the right foundation used to require an alignment of the planets, but now there's a new Sephora plus Pantone Color IQ iPad app for choosing and buying foundation. It's currently available at Sephora's Time Square and Powell Street San Francisco locations.
00:38:01 "First the saleswoman holds a spectra colorimeter to your face. This is a tiny camera originally developed by Pantone for home decorators. In a few seconds the meter snaps 27 photos of your skin and spits out a number between one and 110 based on the depth of skin's color and the warmth or coolness of its undertones. Using that number the app then searches the hundreds of shades sold at Sephora to find the best ones for your complexion.
00:38:30 "What happens after that is between you and your credit card."
Kimberly Heintzman: Wow. That's exciting.
Bryan Barron: That looks interesting. And they have a little picture of the device. It looks kind of like a chunkier digital camera, and then an iPad. So, I'm assuming these employees at the Sephora locations in New York and San Fran just have their little iPad there and, you know, if they get that in Seattle, Desiree, I think that would be worth checking out. I'm curious to see what kind of reading they would get with that camera in Sephora under their carefully controlled lighting versus if they went outside in broad daylight and did it and how that would differ.
00:39:08 Kimberly, do you suspect it would be different?
Kimberly Heintzman: I think it could. I think that foundation is so personal. And I think it's all about your style. And I think even if it reads a certain tone and it guides you to the right shade, there's still so much about the texture, about the wear, the ingredients, the features and benefits of a foundation. So, I think it sounds kind of cool and I would love to check it out, too.
00:39:41 But I think it really comes down to foundation is really personal and I think it's really all about how you feel in it, you know, and how it makes you feel. I think it sounds neat, though.
Desiree Stordahl: I'm headed to New York in a couple weeks, so I'll tell you both how it works. I'll check it out while I'm there.
Kimberly Heintzman: Please!
Desiree Stordahl: I will.
Kimberly Heintzman: I would love to know.
Desiree Stordahl: All right.
00:40:01 We have a caller on the line from Canada. It's Eva.
Bryan Barron: Hi Eva.
Eva: Hi. Thank you for taking my call. I love Paula's products I have to say. My question is I'm wondering what kind of eyeliner is best suited for contact lens wearers. Because I find that often I get irritation Or if the product goes into the eye, then you know, my vision kind of is distorted. So, I was wondering if you have any take on that.
Bryan Barron: Good question.
Kimberly Heintzman: Really great.
00:40:39 I think that a lot – are you wearing a certain, is there a shade that you're attracted to? Are you wearing purples, or black, or…?
Eva: No. I would say a taupe or a black, charcoal. Those are my favorite ones.
Kimberly Heintzman: And are you using a coal pencil or what have you used in the past that's caused any problems?
Eva: I try to use waterproof eyeliners.
Bryan Barron: But it is a pencil? Eva, is it a pencil or a liquid liner?
Eva: It's not liquid. It can be a pencil or those kinds of ones that, I don't know what they call it, the ones that don't need sharpening.
Bryan Barron: Oh, okay. An automatic pencil or a twist up?
Eva: That's right. Automatic. Yes.
Kimberly Heintzman: Wow. I mean, I think that – and are you just – what brands have you tried? That would help me.
Eva: I've tried Physician's Formula. And I've tried, is it Forever Makeup I think.
Desiree Stordahl: Makeup Forever?
Kimberly Heintzman: Oh, Makeup Forever.
Eva: Makeup Forever. Yes, sorry.
Desiree Stordahl: That's okay.
Kimberly Heintzman: Okay. And, I mean, Physician's Formula is kind of known for their non-…the ophthalmologist-tested and things of that nature which is great. I'm kind of thinking that one other – there could be something and maybe an ingredient that they use essentially like a waterproof product that could be even causing irritation.
00:42:22 I mean, there's always that…
Bryan Barron: It could be film forming agent.
Kimberly Heintzman: Yeah.
Eva: A what kind of agent?
Bryan Barron: Eva, I mentioned a film forming agent. Some of the waterproof formulas contain a type of ingredient known as a film forming agent. And they essentially are similar to hairspray type ingredients that hold your hairstyle in place throughout the day.
00:42:49 And they form an invisible film on the skin. And they're relatively impervious to waters which is what allows them to make the waterproof claim.
Eva: Okay.
Bryan Barron: But silicones are also in pencils And as are different types of waxes. And those are pretty impervious to water as well. I mean, you can put pure wax on your hand and you put water on it and the water just beads up.
Eva: Okay.
Desiree Stordahl: And Eva you don't have a problem with eye shadows? Those are fine for you?
Eva: You mean like for my skin to be irritated?
00:43:24 I'm not really sure what it is. I wondered which products it would be. I don't know. I just assumed it was the eyeliner because I line part of the top lid and the bottom, so that's why I thought it was the eyeliner.
Desiree Stordahl: It might take some experimenting around, but what I was going to suggest if you're okay with using eye shadow is getting a darker color of whatever eye shadow you're using or just a black, and you can either wet the brush and dip into the eye shadow and see if that works to line your eye like that.
00:44:01 Some shadows you can use them wet and they'll give you more of an intense bold color. Or you could apply it dry just if you have a thinner, more precise brush to do it with. But, definitely you might have to eliminate some of your products and see what the root cause of it is, depending on what all you're putting on your eye as well.
Eva: Okay, so just try. I do have a primer, too, that I use. But, so just try, okay, just try shadow and then see how the eye is.
Desiree Stordahl: Yeah, I would give that a try.
Bryan Barron: Try lining your shadow.
00:44:32 And Desiree let's send Eva both of our eyeliner brushes. We have a regular eyeliner brush which is skinny. You can do a very precise fine line with that. And then we have a precision liner brush which kind of – that has more of a domed type tip, well, more of a pointed, kind of a rounded, pointed tip. And that gives you a bit more versatility. You can do a thin line with it or you can also do a thicker line.
00:44:56 As Desiree mentioned you can use that brush with a powder, wet or dry. You mentioned Physician's Formula as being a brand that you're comfortable with, they do have a eye shadow Quad in their matte collection, or if you prefer shine they have their shimmer eye shadows. But their Quads are inexpensive. They perform quite well. And the colors, in most of them you'll get one or two brown to grayish brown shades which could absolutely double as eye liner.
Eva: Oh okay.
Bryan Barron: So, give that a try and see what you think.
Eva: Okay. Thank you very much.
Desiree Stordahl: Thank you, Eva.
00:45:35 Kimberly, I have a question for you. So, we're getting close to that time of year when there's going to be lots of holiday soirees and after work parties. What are some good easy tips for women who want to take their looks from day to night and they don't have a whole lot of time or a whole lot they can do?
Kimberly Heintzman: Well, as a matter of fact I have one particular product that I have just recently really fallen in love with.
00:46:04 And it's actually, this is more of a product, but it's super versatile and that's what I love about it. And it's Palette by Urban Decay. And it's called Naked. And I don't know if you guys have heard of this Palette but…
Desiree Stordahl: I have it!
Bryan Barron: Oh, you own it Desiree?
Desiree Stordahl: I do. Do you have the original Naked or Naked 2?
Kimberly Heintzman: I like the original. I've looked at the Naked 2 but the original one has lasted me so long and, okay, this Palette has I think at least 10 shades in it. And it goes from light, to medium. And then there's some great purple, kind of plum undertones. And then there's a black. And then there's like a dark one called gun metal.
00:46:50 And what I love about this Palette is that I can use a light color for a wash of color during the day, and then when I need to vamp up my, or ramp up my eyes or vamp them for nighttime, I can take one of the darker shades and do liner underneath. So, I think using powder as liner under the eyes is a really great way to add a little drama for nighttime. So, this Palette has lasted me for so long, and I think it's one of my secret weapons that I use for all occasions.
00:47:22 So, I love that for going into nighttime. And then I also have another really great product that I've recently been checking out, and it's a mascara by M.A.C. And what I like about it is actually the component, the actual wand is this one tube of mascara with two different wands in it. So, one of the wands pulls off product as you're pulling it out, so you can get a lighter application. And then the bigger wand is chunky and full of product so you can really add a lot of volume and thickness.
00:47:58 So, for me, going from day to night is all about the eyes. And I think that's where you want to focus. And I think that these two products are really great products that are multi-functional and versatile.
Desiree Stordahl: I would agree. I think the M.A.C. product you're talking about is their Hot & Naughty Lash, am I correct?
Kimberly Heintzman: Yes.
Desiree Stordahl: Yeah. We gave that a very big happy face rating on Beautypedia. We loved it, too, for that versatility.
Bryan Barron: Kimberly, I recently read a tip.
00:48:30 The exact same question as far as, you know, taking makeup from day to night, going out to a party, jazzing it up. And the makeup artist said that women shouldn't touch up their powder bluish, even if it's faded, and what she recommended was touching up with a cream blush because the cream blush kind of helps you reblend and redistribute the color on the cheeks. Thoughts on that?
Kimberly Heintzman: Yes. I think that is a great tip. And I think for daytime we like that pop of color on the cheeks, so it's vibrant in the natural daylight.
00:49:03 But I think for nighttime, during the day if we don't have time to wipe our face down most of us have secreted some oil. There is product maybe that's left over from your entire day of wearing it. And blending cream blush just makes everything blend together. So, I think it's okay and I think it's great.
00:49:25 I noticed that, for example, if my skin is oily and I take a powder with pigment in it, and I try to put it on, it grabs onto the oil and then it looks streak. So, I love that about cream products that you can really blend. And typically when we're going from day into night we've had like a 12-hour wear of our products. And we're going into night for minimal time. So, you can really get away with wearing a lot more and it doesn't have to be as perfectly blended, because the lighting is softer.
00:49:57 So, we can really get away with this kind of putting it on and running out the door kind of a look. It doesn't have to be as precise. I don't know, does that make sense? It does to me.
Desiree Stordahl: Yes, it does. I think it does.
Bryan Barron: I was following it. And I do think especially for women with combination skin, where they have oily areas, or especially if they're oily all over, I personally think it's very helpful to use blotting papers before you touch up.
Kimberly Heintzman: Very true.
Bryan Barron: I'm not a fan of powdering over an oil slick because what happens is the powder tends to grab to the oil and then you end up with makeup that looks more modeled and patchy. And you're just going to have to reblend anyway.
Kimberly Heintzman: Very, very true. Good point.
Desiree Stordahl: Okay, we have time for another caller.
00:50:45 Let's go to Antha in California. Hi Antha, what's your question for Kimberly?
Antha: Hi Kimberly. My question is this – I have, I'd say I'm a dark olive complexion with I'd say green undertones. My green veins do show. And my eyes are now, they're deep set, and they're starting to look rather sunken. That entire eye area is looking rather dark and gloomy. And I was wondering in terms of concealers in order to brighten are there certain tones that maybe I should lean towards and avoid others?
Kimberly Heintzman: Yes.
00:51:25 I think that – are you using the concealer on the lid and underneath the eye area?
Antha: No, basically around the eye, let's say at the corners of the nose and around the lower part of the eye.
Kimberly Heintzman: And have you tried any color correcting products? Or are you just using a concealer?
Antha: No, I was just using a concealer. And I'm not satisfied with the effect that I've been getting.
Kimberly Heintzman: I think a great concealer or two help brighten around with any darkness with your skin, with the skin tone that you have would be like something with a peach under tone.
00:52:10 And so you might want to use that and use it as a color corrector and kind of just tap and roll your finger tip around the area. And then let it sit on your skin and absorb for a few minutes. And then come back and try your concealer over it.
Antha: Oh, okay.
Kimberly Heintzman: I think that using a color corrector, and then also finding a – using a concealer that has light reflecting properties is always a really important thing. Nothing that is too matte.
00:52:44 Because if you're not correcting then you just want to soften the reflect of light and that will soften the appearance of the discoloration. Bryan, do you have anything to add to that?
Desiree Stordahl: We actually just lost Bryan off the call. And I'm sorry since I was dealing with that I wasn't able to tune in with the last few seconds of what the question was.
Antha: Question. Can you recommend a brand that would have the illumination in it for me? Are there any brands you might suggest?
Desiree Stordahl: And you're asking for illuminating concealer?
Antha: Yes.
Desiree Stordahl: I do know that Maybelline's, I believe it's called Dream Lumi Concealer is a dup for YSL's Touche Éclat.
00:53:33 And it is very subtle. It's not going to give you like too much of a shimmery look where you're doing it overdone, but I happen to love that one personally. Kimberly, any recommendations from you?
Kimberly Heintzman: No, I do think that that sounds like a really great product. I think there are a couple – I think that Benefit might make a concealer that kind of brightens the eye area. And there's also – you can also even with a really lightweight powder, something that also you can set.
00:54:11 Do you wear powder all over your face? Do you dust your face with any powder?
Antha: I do, yes. I do dust my face, basically like a T zone area and then I go. I've been using, I guess it's the M.A.C., well, it's the M.A.C. Prime, Prep & Prime, I think. I've been using that.
Kimberly Heintzman: I think that Bare Minerals also makes a concealer that is illuminating. And that might be a good place to kind of start. And then also you could maybe go in and try a sample of it and see how it works. I think you're just going to have to try some more products.
00:54:55 But I think that using something with a peachy undertone sounds like it will brighten up around the eye area. Instead of using other color correctors, I think peachy will help to neutralize the darkness in the eye area.
Desiree Stordahl: And be sure to check out our reviews on You can also search by key words and it can really help you filter down exactly what product you're looking for, so hopefully that will help you out.
Antha: Okay. Thank you.
Desiree Stordahl: You're welcome.
Kimberly Heintzman: Thanks for calling.
Desiree Stordahl: And I will be in touch with her to get her her Paula's Choice prize for calling in. So, we are coming down to the very end of the show, just a couple minutes left. Kimberly, thank you so much for being on. Do you have any last, like your favorite makeup tip, or something you do on celebrities when you work on them? Any one last bit that we could give our fans as we head out of the show?
Kimberly Heintzman: I think I have just recently reconnected with a product that I think is really unique.
00:56:00 And I think a lot of people wouldn't even think to try it. And it's one of my favorite – Chanel made it years ago. And it was a mascara called Vamp. And it's this great mascara. And if you have any green in your eyes, or any – actually, it works on any color eyes. It just has this really unique effect on the eye area, but it's like a dark purple/plum colored mascara. And I recently found something that's very similar to the Chanel one by Benefit and it's called Bad Gal Plum.
00:56:36 And it's intensifying mascara. And I just think it's something that is kind of different. And at first when you put it on, it has such a neat effect on the eye color. It really can bring out all these different colors in your eye. And it's a really fun, playful, something different than your ordinary brown or black mascara. So, I definitely think that that's kind of my latest and greatest discovery.
00:57:06 And it goes with all the shades in the Naked Palette.
Desiree Stordahl: Well, that's a good tip. And I have to share with you, I have the Naked 2, the second version. And actually just recently I reviewed a Physician's Formula eye shadow palette, it's called Nude, and the colors are almost identical to the Naked 2 Palette. The only thing is that the Naked 2 does have a couple matte shades which is nice.
00:56:35 Whereas the Physician's Formula is purely shimmer colors. But, when you think about the price difference it's a pretty huge deal and you're getting pretty much the same thing. So, that's my tip for the end of the night. Thank you so much for coming on Kimberly. And we'll have to have you back on.
Kimberly Heintzman: Please. Thank you so much. It was great.
Desiree Stordahl: Thank you. All right, upcoming shows for the rest of November and December. On November 6 we have "What to Wear: Professional stylist tips for any occasion with our favorite fan, Darcy Camden." And then November 20 we have "Hair Makeover Tips with the Pros with special guest Ashley [McKimm]." Ashley has been on our show before and was a huge success.
00:58:20 Lots of great tips. We can't wait to have her back on. And then on December 5 we're going to be doing our "Holiday Gift Guide." So, everyone here on the Beautypedia team is going to reveal the best beauty products that they've reviewed. Their favorite beauty products ever. We're talking skincare, makeup, hair care, body care, it doesn't matter. We're going to be counting it down and giving you all of our favorites and that meet our excellent standards. So, everyone, thank you for tuning. Be sure to visit us at Paula's Choice and check out our skincare and makeup products there. All right, good night.
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